17th & Clayton, a reader asks…

[Update: New drive by photos below!]

“I was wondering if you know what the deal is with the copper siding on the new condos on the corner of 17th & Clayton. Some people are saying that it will be the finished look and I am hoping they are wrong. Hideous! Thanks.”


Here’s all I know:

The four townhomes are scheduled to be completed in March 2008

(approximately). It’s still too early for pricing, but the homes will have

great volume (9′ to 11′ ceilings), high-end finishes and views. They are

each four-level townhouse style condominiums.

Here’s the breakdown (per the plans and subject to change):

4588 17th Street

3 BR / 3.5 BA, 1832 SqFt, Backyard, 2 Decks, 1 Car Parking

4590 17th Street

3 BR / 3.5 BA, 1685 SqFt, Backyard, 2 Decks, 1 Car Parking

4596 17th Street

3 BR / 3.5 BA, 1646 SqFt, Backyard, 2 Decks, 1 Car Parking

4598 17th Street

3 BR / 3 BA, 1532 SqFt, Backyard, 2 Decks, 1 Car Parking

Anybody have an updated photo?

Thanks Garrett! Camera phones are a blessing (and a curse) aren’t they?



17th & Clayton Pics and some Luv [theFrontSteps]

17 thoughts on “17th & Clayton, a reader asks…

  1. OOhhhhhhh. I love comments like this one. gets me almost as excited as sex.

    Anyway……yes, the copper siding with standing seam is going to be the finished material..and it it looking GREAT. Given time, it will weather to a wonderful patina of greens and blue-greys. It’s going to be very handsome, and ah..not at all hideous.

    Hideous can be defined by the many “fake victorians and edwardians” that get quickly thrown together here in the City. You know..little bit of cornice, fake trim, painted some cute colors. not cool.

    The new building at 17th/Clayton is fresh, contextually modern, and adds a strong definition to that once eyesore of a corner.

    Both the location and clean design will most likely sell out the building quickly.

  2. I just drove by there. It’s the patina green/blue-grey that I was wondering about. The new de Young had that patina thing going, and I really don’t think that has aged well. Yet, every time I stood on the front steps of Basilique du Sacré-Cœur in Paris over looking the copper rooftops at sunset, I really thought it was beautiful. I wonder if the ‘amount of copper’ has anything to do with it. In de young as well on this unit, may be the layer of copper is too thin for the patina to be substantive, or perhaps the real beauty will not be there until 100s of years later, or, perhaps, San Francisco is just not Paris.

    No doubt it will sell well. But 17th street/Clayton is a busy corner… I once looked at a unit on 17th and shrader one weekday morning around 8am. I counted 20 cars stop and go at that stop sign in a single san francisco minute…

    [Editor’s note: Let’s not forget the howling wind more than 3/4 of the year.]

  3. That “patina thing” is called oxidation..and it takes time for copper to weather different shades of green.

    The de Young is weathering beautifully..and naturally. it make take 10-15 years to turn green…like the rooftops of Paris. give it time!

    It has nothing to do with the layer of copper..thin or not. copper is copper, thru and thru.

    And yea, despite the hordes of Victorian lovers here ( and on this blog), I still think 17th and Clayton is a “good” building.

  4. duggo, I’m a victorian freak – but I have to say that altho I had doubts about the round bumpups, The copper looks good – and the building really comes together.

    Now copper is a tricky one, and I hope the owners to come will be wise in matching the colors around (squared parts are to be painted?)

    for that specific corner, I think it’ll look perfect I agree with you.

    about victorians, it’s not a religion. It’s just that in the city, you shouldnt build anything on any block. There are a few non victorian buildings lost in a row of victorian that work fine – the victorians not making the modern one sticking out, and the modern one not dwarfing/clashing the victorian ones. However, nice inntegration has been TOO RARE. and no, 2007 is not always better than the 60s.

    Cool job. I hope they’ll match the inside with :-) (I’m KIDDING duggo!)

  5. i can’t tell from those pictures but they better budget in full time security from now until the end of time to stop the copper thieves

    sad but true

  6. A less destructive way to make money from copper is to collect pre-1982 U.S. pennies. Each now is worth 2.5 cents if melted down. Perhaps the residents there should put up a public service notice on the ground level to let the thieves know that there is a better way…

    Now, before the cops decide to subpoena my IP address from The Front Step log files, go to my ISP with the IP address to find out where I live, and knock on my front door, I want to say “it’s not entirely legal to melt down pennies, either”

    [Editor’s note: Don’t worry, your identity is safe with us. We won’t tell, as long as you share more ways to such things.]

  7. I think the architect did a nice job with this building. It fits nicely into the neighborhood without standing out like a sore thumb (like the hideous 2007 Sunset Idea House at 25th and Alabama) and I think the copper will be lovely for years to come.

  8. would someone be so nice as to send some NEW PHOTOS? pleaseeeeeeeeeee?

    I drove by this week, and I have to say it looks pretty great. (I stand by what I said earlier… on that specific corner, I think, it’s a winner)

    Alex.. any news on the sales of those units??

  9. The roofs of Paris are mostly made of tin expect for public monuments and palaces. Tin costs 1/2 of copper and Parisian cheapstakes will pick “replace-me-every-10-years” gray tin roofs over “lasts-30-years+-and-looks-great” copper.

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