Comments on: Battle Royale: North Beach or South Beach, if you had to choose http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/11/19/battle-royale-north-beach-or-south-beach-if-you-had-to-choose/ Real Estate, Insight, Statistics, Gossip, & News...With a Twist and Some Flavor Thu, 09 Feb 2012 04:27:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: james http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/11/19/battle-royale-north-beach-or-south-beach-if-you-had-to-choose/comment-page-1/#comment-3010 james Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:00:07 +0000 http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/11/19/battle-royale-north-beach-or-south-beach-if-you-had-to-choose/#comment-3010 don't forget you can get to sfo in 20 minutes from south beach. big draw for some folks. south beach has come a long way in the 7 years since i moved here. safeway, dozen or so restaurants. new library, park at mission creek, ucsf (if you let me include mission bay which makes much more sense than including rincon). in fact, if you count rincon as part of south beach, you might as well count north point as part of north beach. ugh and yuck! don’t forget you can get to sfo in 20 minutes from south beach. big draw for some folks. south beach has come a long way in the 7 years since i moved here. safeway, dozen or so restaurants. new library, park at mission creek, ucsf (if you let me include mission bay which makes much more sense than including rincon). in fact, if you count rincon as part of south beach, you might as well count north point as part of north beach. ugh and yuck!

]]> By: Jordan http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/11/19/battle-royale-north-beach-or-south-beach-if-you-had-to-choose/comment-page-1/#comment-3006 Jordan Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:13:12 +0000 http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/11/19/battle-royale-north-beach-or-south-beach-if-you-had-to-choose/#comment-3006 I've lived in the city for four years, and my time has been roughly spent equally between the two neighborhoods. So I was surprised to hear no one bring up the difference in the quality of the housing. North Beach has neighborhood charm, but the actual units are mostly 50 years or more old. From my experience, this equals: frequent infestations of roaches or worse, crappy water pressure and consistency of water temperature, old fridges, lack of sink garbage disposal, lack of dishwashers, etc. Additionally, living in North Beach was fun, but not so fun when I had to deal with big roaming crowds of very drunk people on Friday and Saturday nights. Granted, I was often one of those drunk people, but, my point is you have to be prepared to deal with that EVERY weekend. I like South Beach now because the buildings are mostly new-ish, far fewer homeless and rowdy party goers and easier access to Caltrain and the N and T lines. I’ve lived in the city for four years, and my time has been roughly spent equally between the two neighborhoods. So I was surprised to hear no one bring up the difference in the quality of the housing.

North Beach has neighborhood charm, but the actual units are mostly 50 years or more old. From my experience, this equals: frequent infestations of roaches or worse, crappy water pressure and consistency of water temperature, old fridges, lack of sink garbage disposal, lack of dishwashers, etc. Additionally, living in North Beach was fun, but not so fun when I had to deal with big roaming crowds of very drunk people on Friday and Saturday nights. Granted, I was often one of those drunk people, but, my point is you have to be prepared to deal with that EVERY weekend.

I like South Beach now because the buildings are mostly new-ish, far fewer homeless and rowdy party goers and easier access to Caltrain and the N and T lines.

]]> By: househunter http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/11/19/battle-royale-north-beach-or-south-beach-if-you-had-to-choose/comment-page-1/#comment-3008 househunter Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:59:05 +0000 http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/11/19/battle-royale-north-beach-or-south-beach-if-you-had-to-choose/#comment-3008 I have lived in the heart of south beach (south park) and now live in the heart of north beach (a block or so to both Washington Square Park and North Beach Pizza). I am currently in the market to buy and not even considering South Beach. South Beach will look like a bunch of old mid-skyscrapers 10 years from now, while north beach will have its charm Oh wait! What am I doing: Buy in south beach, the Beacon is a lovely example of progressive architecture and a warm community. Do not compete with any of my offers on places in North Beach it is bad bad bad, all of the good restaurants will put many pounds on that Marina girl you just picked up ;-) I have lived in the heart of south beach (south park) and now live in the heart of north beach (a block or so to both Washington Square Park and North Beach Pizza). I am currently in the market to buy and not even considering South Beach.

South Beach will look like a bunch of old mid-skyscrapers 10 years from now, while north beach will have its charm

Oh wait! What am I doing: Buy in south beach, the Beacon is a lovely example of progressive architecture and a warm community. Do not compete with any of my offers on places in North Beach it is bad bad bad, all of the good restaurants will put many pounds on that Marina girl you just picked up ;-)

]]> By: BoomTime http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/11/19/battle-royale-north-beach-or-south-beach-if-you-had-to-choose/comment-page-1/#comment-2997 BoomTime Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:56:00 +0000 http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/11/19/battle-royale-north-beach-or-south-beach-if-you-had-to-choose/#comment-2997 Well, the Marina girls have long stopped coming by my place in Presidio Heights for a while. I'm all about living life now, not waiting for a neighborhood to turn safe in 10 years. Good luck on getting them to South Beach! :) Well, the Marina girls have long stopped coming by my place in Presidio Heights for a while. I’m all about living life now, not waiting for a neighborhood to turn safe in 10 years. Good luck on getting them to South Beach! :)

]]> By: Mark Choey http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/11/19/battle-royale-north-beach-or-south-beach-if-you-had-to-choose/comment-page-1/#comment-3007 Mark Choey Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:45:00 +0000 http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/11/19/battle-royale-north-beach-or-south-beach-if-you-had-to-choose/#comment-3007 I always like to say, out-with-the-old and in-with-the-new... urban lifestyles vs. old-school neighborhoods - tough to compare... and a little bit of an "apples vs. oranges" comparison unfortunately... As far as choices of buildings to live in, South Beach over North Beach - no question. Buildings updated THIS century, luxury finishes, gyms, pools, a place to pin a Plasma up... ahhh... As far as neighborhood character? hmmm...next question please....North Beach without question. Let's revisit this one in 20 years... I always like to say, out-with-the-old and in-with-the-new… urban lifestyles vs. old-school neighborhoods – tough to compare… and a little bit of an “apples vs. oranges” comparison unfortunately…

As far as choices of buildings to live in, South Beach over North Beach – no question. Buildings updated THIS century, luxury finishes, gyms, pools, a place to pin a Plasma up… ahhh…

As far as neighborhood character? hmmm…next question please….North Beach without question.

Let’s revisit this one in 20 years…

]]> By: anna http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/11/19/battle-royale-north-beach-or-south-beach-if-you-had-to-choose/comment-page-1/#comment-3009 anna Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:41:13 +0000 http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/11/19/battle-royale-north-beach-or-south-beach-if-you-had-to-choose/#comment-3009 Relatively new North Beacher who looked at South Beach. My mom was interested in buying in South Beach (this was before the Park), and I was like- oh no, you can't walk to Union Square (comfortably, for her generation, regularly), but then saw the explosion of interesting new condos and felt soundly dumb. Anyways, neat to see so much support on this comment list about North Beach, and yes, is very diverse and interesting and an old neighborhood with good food and character, but I'd like to posit something different. SoMa/South Beach is up and coming and fun, and the Embarcadero is truly a great pedestrian throughway. Whole Foods. We don't have something like that, and Trader Joes is a sad comparison. Sure, it reeks too much of San Jose, but there are good elements too. I was surprised that it was more affordable than North Beach, strangely. I think N.B. has just gotten a lot of attention lately. A better comparison may be the inner mission area- 17th & Tartine area- to South Beach, or actually ,take that back, North Beach. Oddly, that's my old hood and I was priced out of there. Relatively new North Beacher who looked at South Beach. My mom was interested in buying in South Beach (this was before the Park), and I was like- oh no, you can’t walk to Union Square (comfortably, for her generation, regularly), but then saw the explosion of interesting new condos and felt soundly dumb. Anyways, neat to see so much support on this comment list about North Beach, and yes, is very diverse and interesting and an old neighborhood with good food and character, but I’d like to posit something different. SoMa/South Beach is up and coming and fun, and the Embarcadero is truly a great pedestrian throughway. Whole Foods. We don’t have something like that, and Trader Joes is a sad comparison. Sure, it reeks too much of San Jose, but there are good elements too. I was surprised that it was more affordable than North Beach, strangely. I think N.B. has just gotten a lot of attention lately. A better comparison may be the inner mission area- 17th & Tartine area- to South Beach, or actually ,take that back, North Beach. Oddly, that’s my old hood and I was priced out of there.

]]> By: james http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/11/19/battle-royale-north-beach-or-south-beach-if-you-had-to-choose/comment-page-1/#comment-2999 james Tue, 20 Nov 2007 01:37:33 +0000 http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/11/19/battle-royale-north-beach-or-south-beach-if-you-had-to-choose/#comment-2999 the millenium is going to do very well. michael minna and sports club la. give me a break. that alone will sell out 50% of the building. as for the battle, as a 7 year resident of south beach, i have to protest that anything on the west side of the bay bridge is considered part of my hood. that is rincon. we both have our nasty building borderline of course, watermark on our side and orh on their side. boomtime, i have news for you. all your marina girls are moving over here to south beach. you are going to get very loney very soon. ;) the millenium is going to do very well. michael minna and sports club la. give me a break. that alone will sell out 50% of the building.

as for the battle, as a 7 year resident of south beach, i have to protest that anything on the west side of the bay bridge is considered part of my hood. that is rincon. we both have our nasty building borderline of course, watermark on our side and orh on their side.

boomtime, i have news for you. all your marina girls are moving over here to south beach. you are going to get very loney very soon.

;)

]]> By: BoomTime http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/11/19/battle-royale-north-beach-or-south-beach-if-you-had-to-choose/comment-page-1/#comment-2998 BoomTime Tue, 20 Nov 2007 01:32:45 +0000 http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/11/19/battle-royale-north-beach-or-south-beach-if-you-had-to-choose/#comment-2998 Ok, these Altos Research graphs are useless. North Beach hands down. I'm not willing to spend $1,000/sqft for Millenium Towers, nor am I willing to spend $1,000/sqft in South Beach either. I guess there are a ton of people out there who are, and goodness save them. I'm surprised we aen't talking about SF data +3.9% YoY in Oct. I think +3.9% YoY understates how much SF has risen this yea. I think the numbers are closer to 8%+. http://dqnews.com/RRBay1107.shtm Ok, these Altos Research graphs are useless.

North Beach hands down.

I’m not willing to spend $1,000/sqft for Millenium Towers, nor am I willing to spend $1,000/sqft in South Beach either. I guess there are a ton of people out there who are, and goodness save them.

I’m surprised we aen’t talking about SF data +3.9% YoY in Oct. I think +3.9% YoY understates how much SF has risen this yea. I think the numbers are closer to 8%+.

http://dqnews.com/RRBay1107.shtm

]]> By: Sophie http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/11/19/battle-royale-north-beach-or-south-beach-if-you-had-to-choose/comment-page-1/#comment-3002 Sophie Tue, 20 Nov 2007 01:19:58 +0000 http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/11/19/battle-royale-north-beach-or-south-beach-if-you-had-to-choose/#comment-3002 oooooooooooops, got distracted! <strong>9h</strong> = southbeach market/main/"howard"/"first" /south park/3rd/water front. and yes, many 20+ buildings. oooooooooooops, got distracted!

9h = southbeach market/main/”howard”/”first” /south park/3rd/water front. and yes, many 20+ buildings.

]]> By: Sophie http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/11/19/battle-royale-north-beach-or-south-beach-if-you-had-to-choose/comment-page-1/#comment-3001 Sophie Tue, 20 Nov 2007 01:17:08 +0000 http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/11/19/battle-royale-north-beach-or-south-beach-if-you-had-to-choose/#comment-3001 big timing mistake Alex. you shouldnt run a battle royale of hoods not yet covered by the TDSF :-) In case you dont know it yet, Alex is biking virtually every single street of the city to clarify RE hoods definition and run stats and descriptions. as for the battle, I dont think there is any battle. I live in SF because it looks to me that SF is the biggest core-city SFH market in the world. I'm all for sfh around a bike-ride distant FiDi. So it's not even an option to consider SouthBeach - and certainly not against the great North Beach. Now if SouthBeach was not out of price, and it was the only affordable option to live in in this city (vs crossing a bridge or commuting 101/280), I guess I could live there too, if only because it's VERY conveniently placed (think shopping, including groceries - which is not a given in many SF hoods) AND some of those units have great views. Now regarding the high rises... I'd take one of the 4-7 floors buildings anytime instead of 20+ floors. 8d = bay/stockton/broadway/mason/columbus I'm not even sure there is any steep street/lot in north beach. 9d = 3rd/townsend/7th/mariposa/water front. I'm not even sur there is any building with more than 10 floors there. big timing mistake Alex. you shouldnt run a battle royale of hoods not yet covered by the TDSF :-)

In case you dont know it yet, Alex is biking virtually every single street of the city to clarify RE hoods definition and run stats and descriptions.

as for the battle, I dont think there is any battle. I live in SF because it looks to me that SF is the biggest core-city SFH market in the world. I’m all for sfh around a bike-ride distant FiDi. So it’s not even an option to consider SouthBeach – and certainly not against the great North Beach.

Now if SouthBeach was not out of price, and it was the only affordable option to live in in this city (vs crossing a bridge or commuting 101/280), I guess I could live there too, if only because it’s VERY conveniently placed (think shopping, including groceries – which is not a given in many SF hoods) AND some of those units have great views.

Now regarding the high rises… I’d take one of the 4-7 floors buildings anytime instead of 20+ floors.

8d = bay/stockton/broadway/mason/columbus I’m not even sure there is any steep street/lot in north beach.

9d = 3rd/townsend/7th/mariposa/water front. I’m not even sur there is any building with more than 10 floors there.

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