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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/11/01/is-socketsite-growing-bull-horns/comment-page-1/#comment-2785</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how about being an adult and using your real first name?</description>
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		<title>By: def not prime</title>
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		<dc:creator>def not prime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 04:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not prime.  You&#039;re right.  It does get annoying, but whatr you gonna do?  I think Boomtime, Marina Prime, and UPUPUP are the same people.  You think UPUPUP is the same guy?  And how funny that the editor said his comments are for some reason ending up in spam.  that&#039;s because they are spam!

[&lt;strong&gt;Editor&#039;s note&lt;/strong&gt;:  And your comment ended up in spam too.  Ironic?  Maybe so, maybe not.  Me thinks it&#039;s the name UPUPUP that&#039;s throwing the filters, and this pretty much confirms it.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not prime.  You&#8217;re right.  It does get annoying, but whatr you gonna do?  I think Boomtime, Marina Prime, and UPUPUP are the same people.  You think UPUPUP is the same guy?  And how funny that the editor said his comments are for some reason ending up in spam.  that&#8217;s because they are spam!</p>
<p>[<strong>Editor's note</strong>:  And your comment ended up in spam too.  Ironic?  Maybe so, maybe not.  Me thinks it's the name UPUPUP that's throwing the filters, and this pretty much confirms it.]</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/11/01/is-socketsite-growing-bull-horns/comment-page-1/#comment-2786</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 01:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>congrats!  i&#039;m happy for you and your clients!</description>
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		<title>By: kenny</title>
		<link>http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/11/01/is-socketsite-growing-bull-horns/comment-page-1/#comment-2787</link>
		<dc:creator>kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 18:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahah. Nice one. The typical SS reader is a realtor .... stop right there. Doesn&#039;t matter what the rest of the sentence says. You know you&#039;re full of shit right then and there. You know, I&#039;ve only been on Socketsite for about a month or two? I am a blog newbie. It&#039;s kind of weird because I actually used to edit web content for a living. Somehow I missed the whole blog 1.0 thing. Anyway ...



I finally got my clients into something.  They were willing to spend up to $1.2M with 20 percent down and they wanted something they could add equity to. Their plan is to fix up a place and rent it for five years or so and then move in down the line after they tie up some out of state business.



They are great clients. I mean, for me, it really offered a great chance to get in and really see firsthand what&#039;s happening right now. I literally wrote six offers on fixers and cosmetic fixers in solid neighborhoods, all for over a million bucks. Noe, Panhandle, Lower Pac Heights, areas like that. I wrote each offer over asking but in a sensible manner. Five percent or so. We wrote on that CRAZY Sanchez stairs deal that went for 400K over asking. We wrote on the Clayton st. grand Victorian that was on the market for about two days. I was all over it. All over it. Early pre-emptives, you name it. Nothing doing.



In the end I figured that central San Francisco just doesn&#039;t make any sense right now unless you have a ton of liquid capital. I started looking at areas 4, mostly a suburban in feel area, but decent value. I got my clients into something in Miraloma park for 699K. It has 900 off the tax records feet of developable square footage downstairs and a flat roof off the upstairs that screams roof deck. Huge lot. Big backyard. Just off the charts upside. They got a killer deal. The big one could hit and they&#039;d still come up, given their gamplan.



I think there&#039;s some awesome deals out there right now. But not in Noe Valley, Lower Pac Heights, Cole Valley, or any area 7 or 8. (Although I have a fixer on the market myself that the right person could profit off of -- Alex, is that copacetic? Go ahead and delete it if it isn&#039;t.) [&lt;strong&gt;Editor&#039;s note&lt;/strong&gt;: Totally copacetic.  In fact I&#039;m trying to get some clients to buy it, but they&#039;re dragging their feet.  I think it is a killer deal.  And I see you&#039;ve had a &lt;a href=&quot;http://sfarmls.rapmls.com/scripts/mgrqispi.dll?APPNAME=Sanfrancisco&amp;PRGNAME=MLSLogin&amp;ARGUMENT=Ok7KmNi58nbInAxeCH8GTdvSRONNfG6BOuQHGpOxPkw%3D&amp;KeyRid=1&amp;isPreview=Y&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;price reduction&lt;/a&gt;...even better.]



By the way, the editor of this web site is a cool dude. Not all of us realtors are shrill buttheads. Believe that. Some of us love this town and actually like to help people out. There are about two of us out of every 15 or so. Joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahah. Nice one. The typical SS reader is a realtor &#8230;. stop right there. Doesn&#8217;t matter what the rest of the sentence says. You know you&#8217;re full of shit right then and there. You know, I&#8217;ve only been on Socketsite for about a month or two? I am a blog newbie. It&#8217;s kind of weird because I actually used to edit web content for a living. Somehow I missed the whole blog 1.0 thing. Anyway &#8230;</p>
<p>I finally got my clients into something.  They were willing to spend up to $1.2M with 20 percent down and they wanted something they could add equity to. Their plan is to fix up a place and rent it for five years or so and then move in down the line after they tie up some out of state business.</p>
<p>They are great clients. I mean, for me, it really offered a great chance to get in and really see firsthand what&#8217;s happening right now. I literally wrote six offers on fixers and cosmetic fixers in solid neighborhoods, all for over a million bucks. Noe, Panhandle, Lower Pac Heights, areas like that. I wrote each offer over asking but in a sensible manner. Five percent or so. We wrote on that CRAZY Sanchez stairs deal that went for 400K over asking. We wrote on the Clayton st. grand Victorian that was on the market for about two days. I was all over it. All over it. Early pre-emptives, you name it. Nothing doing.</p>
<p>In the end I figured that central San Francisco just doesn&#8217;t make any sense right now unless you have a ton of liquid capital. I started looking at areas 4, mostly a suburban in feel area, but decent value. I got my clients into something in Miraloma park for 699K. It has 900 off the tax records feet of developable square footage downstairs and a flat roof off the upstairs that screams roof deck. Huge lot. Big backyard. Just off the charts upside. They got a killer deal. The big one could hit and they&#8217;d still come up, given their gamplan.</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s some awesome deals out there right now. But not in Noe Valley, Lower Pac Heights, Cole Valley, or any area 7 or 8. (Although I have a fixer on the market myself that the right person could profit off of &#8212; Alex, is that copacetic? Go ahead and delete it if it isn&#8217;t.) [<strong>Editor's note</strong>: Totally copacetic.  In fact I'm trying to get some clients to buy it, but they're dragging their feet.  I think it is a killer deal.  And I see you've had a <a href="http://sfarmls.rapmls.com/scripts/mgrqispi.dll?APPNAME=Sanfrancisco&amp;PRGNAME=MLSLogin&amp;ARGUMENT=Ok7KmNi58nbInAxeCH8GTdvSRONNfG6BOuQHGpOxPkw%3D&amp;KeyRid=1&amp;isPreview=Y" rel="nofollow">price reduction</a>...even better.]</p>
<p>By the way, the editor of this web site is a cool dude. Not all of us realtors are shrill buttheads. Believe that. Some of us love this town and actually like to help people out. There are about two of us out of every 15 or so. Joke.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 17:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi kenny,



i&#039;m not sure if you ever answered my serious query over on ss about your frustrated buyers and what their budget was?  i find that the typical ss reader and poster is a frustrated realtor that just isn&#039;t realistic about what can be had in this town in a neighborhood that doesn&#039;t get striffed with bullets.  you have to be realistic sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi kenny,</p>
<p>i&#8217;m not sure if you ever answered my serious query over on ss about your frustrated buyers and what their budget was?  i find that the typical ss reader and poster is a frustrated realtor that just isn&#8217;t realistic about what can be had in this town in a neighborhood that doesn&#8217;t get striffed with bullets.  you have to be realistic sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: kenny</title>
		<link>http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/11/01/is-socketsite-growing-bull-horns/comment-page-1/#comment-2792</link>
		<dc:creator>kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 16:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record  there is nothing wrong with renters and hell yeah, they are future buyers and I know this. To clarify my point about what I find amusing vis a vis socketsite, it&#039;s this. Lots of those people are absolutely convinced that the real estate market is a joke. They &quot;know&quot; better than to buy anytime soon and for the foreseeable future. Yet that doesn&#039;t stop them from digging hella deep into Japanese real estate market trends and the like. Come on. Am I alone in finding that humorous? By the way, I&#039;m fluj.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record  there is nothing wrong with renters and hell yeah, they are future buyers and I know this. To clarify my point about what I find amusing vis a vis socketsite, it&#8217;s this. Lots of those people are absolutely convinced that the real estate market is a joke. They &#8220;know&#8221; better than to buy anytime soon and for the foreseeable future. Yet that doesn&#8217;t stop them from digging hella deep into Japanese real estate market trends and the like. Come on. Am I alone in finding that humorous? By the way, I&#8217;m fluj.</p>
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		<title>By: read em all</title>
		<link>http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/11/01/is-socketsite-growing-bull-horns/comment-page-1/#comment-2791</link>
		<dc:creator>read em all</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 07:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read all the blogs, the SF Biz Times, Chronicle, everything.  I even get Alex&#039;s SF NEwsletter.  It seems everyone is so quick to pounce on others, but I have to defend Alex.  If anyone is a watch dog, he is more so than anyone or any publication I read.  He is constantly hounding the media for scaring everyone  about the national housing market, then in fine print saying SF is not that bad.  He&#039;s also the only one that calls out other Realtors bull shit, and creates a forum like this for us to call out there bull shit as well.  How many realtors actually invite criticism?  None.  And as of yet, I have not seen anyone call out socketsite&#039;s bull shit, because there is a lot of it there.  Everyone takes that site as the be all end all.  It is not, and Alex is totally right.  J.K. Dineen should be at the helm over there, because 9 out of 10 of the &quot;big&quot; posts that get a lot of comments come from something he wrote about in the biz times.  Hats off to Alex for hopefully keeping some people in check.    I think you&#039;re doing a fantastic job with all your sites and newsletter.  Don&#039;t let these nay sayers get you down.  I&#039;d be bummed if you stopped doing this blog.

[&lt;strong&gt;Editor&#039;s note&lt;/strong&gt;:  Who said anything about me shutting this down?  And thanks to &quot;ah boom&quot; and &quot;renters are people too&quot; for your comments, which have been noted and logged in my memory.  I&#039;ve been feeling the same way lately.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read all the blogs, the SF Biz Times, Chronicle, everything.  I even get Alex&#8217;s SF NEwsletter.  It seems everyone is so quick to pounce on others, but I have to defend Alex.  If anyone is a watch dog, he is more so than anyone or any publication I read.  He is constantly hounding the media for scaring everyone  about the national housing market, then in fine print saying SF is not that bad.  He&#8217;s also the only one that calls out other Realtors bull shit, and creates a forum like this for us to call out there bull shit as well.  How many realtors actually invite criticism?  None.  And as of yet, I have not seen anyone call out socketsite&#8217;s bull shit, because there is a lot of it there.  Everyone takes that site as the be all end all.  It is not, and Alex is totally right.  J.K. Dineen should be at the helm over there, because 9 out of 10 of the &#8220;big&#8221; posts that get a lot of comments come from something he wrote about in the biz times.  Hats off to Alex for hopefully keeping some people in check.    I think you&#8217;re doing a fantastic job with all your sites and newsletter.  Don&#8217;t let these nay sayers get you down.  I&#8217;d be bummed if you stopped doing this blog.</p>
<p>[<strong>Editor's note</strong>:  Who said anything about me shutting this down?  And thanks to "ah boom" and "renters are people too" for your comments, which have been noted and logged in my memory.  I've been feeling the same way lately.]</p>
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		<title>By: NotPrime</title>
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		<dc:creator>NotPrime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 05:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I think is funny is the poster who calls himself MarinaPrime, BoomTime, along with about 100 other names who constantly (and I mean constantly) trolls all these sits and message forums to sprout his position that the Marina is the best place on earth and the only people making money anywhere are those who buy and sell Marina property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I think is funny is the poster who calls himself MarinaPrime, BoomTime, along with about 100 other names who constantly (and I mean constantly) trolls all these sits and message forums to sprout his position that the Marina is the best place on earth and the only people making money anywhere are those who buy and sell Marina property.</p>
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		<title>By: renters are people too</title>
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		<dc:creator>renters are people too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 05:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also frequent both sites daily, and I enjoy hearing the perspective from all sides, even (and sometimes especially) the &#039;nerdy&#039; dissection of the economics behind real estate.  Talking about pocket listings is fun, but surely macroeconomics have just a little something to do with real estate.  No?  Or is real estate more like a high-stake game of cards?  Just luck of the draw?



Yes, I&#039;m currently a renter but I have been in the market for a SFH for the past six months, thus my interest in all things SF real estate.  Please, all you realtors out there, keep in mind that renters = future buyers = your next clients.  What cracks me up is the often boorish, obnoxious, insulting, and downright rude comments often posted by realtors...on both blogs (and read by hundreds of potential clients).  It makes me hope that I never have to work with those particular realtors in person!



And I agree with ah boom, I like this blog, but every so often I run across some snide remark here that makes me feel like this blog is nursing an inferiority complex.  Socketsite is obviously ignoring you, Alex, and I would just take the high ground and do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also frequent both sites daily, and I enjoy hearing the perspective from all sides, even (and sometimes especially) the &#8216;nerdy&#8217; dissection of the economics behind real estate.  Talking about pocket listings is fun, but surely macroeconomics have just a little something to do with real estate.  No?  Or is real estate more like a high-stake game of cards?  Just luck of the draw?</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m currently a renter but I have been in the market for a SFH for the past six months, thus my interest in all things SF real estate.  Please, all you realtors out there, keep in mind that renters = future buyers = your next clients.  What cracks me up is the often boorish, obnoxious, insulting, and downright rude comments often posted by realtors&#8230;on both blogs (and read by hundreds of potential clients).  It makes me hope that I never have to work with those particular realtors in person!</p>
<p>And I agree with ah boom, I like this blog, but every so often I run across some snide remark here that makes me feel like this blog is nursing an inferiority complex.  Socketsite is obviously ignoring you, Alex, and I would just take the high ground and do the same.</p>
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		<title>By: ah boom</title>
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		<dc:creator>ah boom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 04:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hrmm. I comment on both sites (I am &quot;missionite&quot; there...). Not only do both sites have their unique attributes, I think there is room for more, and have thought about starting my own, if it weren&#039;t for the fact that I am too fricking busy to bother with running a blog.



At any rate, and with all due respect, because I am a fan of this blog, and visit several times a day, I think your sniping at Adam is unbecoming Alex. True or not, it comes across as sour grapes. Just do your own thing, it&#039;s entertaining in it&#039;s own rate. Blogs are not zero sum games, and shouldn&#039;t be treated as such. If you don&#039;t like how Adam runs his blog, run yours differently. It&#039;s that simple. But please, stop whining about it.



Finally, I have to disagree that SS is running out of ammo to support a crashing market. I think you are reading too much into one sentence. And I don&#039;t think the market is crashing, not yet. But I do think much more severe corrections are on the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hrmm. I comment on both sites (I am &#8220;missionite&#8221; there&#8230;). Not only do both sites have their unique attributes, I think there is room for more, and have thought about starting my own, if it weren&#8217;t for the fact that I am too fricking busy to bother with running a blog.</p>
<p>At any rate, and with all due respect, because I am a fan of this blog, and visit several times a day, I think your sniping at Adam is unbecoming Alex. True or not, it comes across as sour grapes. Just do your own thing, it&#8217;s entertaining in it&#8217;s own rate. Blogs are not zero sum games, and shouldn&#8217;t be treated as such. If you don&#8217;t like how Adam runs his blog, run yours differently. It&#8217;s that simple. But please, stop whining about it.</p>
<p>Finally, I have to disagree that SS is running out of ammo to support a crashing market. I think you are reading too much into one sentence. And I don&#8217;t think the market is crashing, not yet. But I do think much more severe corrections are on the way.</p>
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