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	<title>Comments on: Stump the Stammtisch: Bernal on Fuego or Hielo?</title>
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		<title>By: duggo</title>
		<link>http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/08/01/stump-the-stammtisch-bernal-on-fuego-or-hielo/comment-page-1/#comment-1800</link>
		<dc:creator>duggo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 22:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sure wish Noe V had at least one gay bar...I get tired of going to the castro to meet my friends for a drink.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sure wish Noe V had at least one gay bar&#8230;I get tired of going to the castro to meet my friends for a drink.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the word on the street is that bernal heights has become baby heights.  that&#039;s where all the families are moving.  won&#039;t be long before everything is gutted and remodeled over there.  good riddance.  so many shit holes still to buy and fix, i wouldn&#039;t pay these prices for the one&#039;s already done.  do it yourself with the one across the street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the word on the street is that bernal heights has become baby heights.  that&#8217;s where all the families are moving.  won&#8217;t be long before everything is gutted and remodeled over there.  good riddance.  so many shit holes still to buy and fix, i wouldn&#8217;t pay these prices for the one&#8217;s already done.  do it yourself with the one across the street.</p>
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		<title>By: Sophie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sophie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>back to Noe vs Bernal.

to be honest, we are owners and lovers of Noe BUT what WE love TODAY depends on WE and on TODAY. So I&#039;m not sure which &#039;hood should be called &quot;better&quot;.

With a minivan full of kids, Noe might be easier to go around - however it may change street by street, block by block.

With a stroller, some curbsides are simply out of question - in Noe (steep streets) or in Bernal (no or narrow curbside).

For a single bachelor - or for a family - or for a couple of working adults - or for a long time SF resident, the answer will be different.

The SFUSD map changes nearly every year, so even that or the ZIP codes might not be an argument either way.



My only advise is to VISIT, VISIT, VISIT. And if you consider buying in any &#039;hood, please park 5 blocks from the house, and walk there. You might instantly feel some negative points such as noise, and such - something you miss so much on the MLS square cut flavorless listings. And please, end your open house day by a coffee at the closest coffee shop to feel your potential neighbors.

That&#039;s my answer on how to choose a &#039;hood: hoods are different because PEOPLE are differents and their taste and priorities are different.



(now our decision on NoeValley.

We dont love NoeValley, we love OUR block. it&#039;s flat, but not as flat as creating some flood/sewage problem in our house. it&#039;s next to a J-church stop. it&#039;s close enough from 24th to make the outing a pleasure, but far enough to avoid double-parking. the view FROM our house is beautiful... rows and rows of victorian houses in any direction.

that set - it was a challenge to find a house there matching our needs and our budget - but we found it - and bought it. Just keep looking. Everything comes on the market eventually!)



[&lt;strong&gt;Editor&#039;s note&lt;/strong&gt;: ...thank you for your insight.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>back to Noe vs Bernal.</p>
<p>to be honest, we are owners and lovers of Noe BUT what WE love TODAY depends on WE and on TODAY. So I&#8217;m not sure which &#8216;hood should be called &#8220;better&#8221;.</p>
<p>With a minivan full of kids, Noe might be easier to go around &#8211; however it may change street by street, block by block.</p>
<p>With a stroller, some curbsides are simply out of question &#8211; in Noe (steep streets) or in Bernal (no or narrow curbside).</p>
<p>For a single bachelor &#8211; or for a family &#8211; or for a couple of working adults &#8211; or for a long time SF resident, the answer will be different.</p>
<p>The SFUSD map changes nearly every year, so even that or the ZIP codes might not be an argument either way.</p>
<p>My only advise is to VISIT, VISIT, VISIT. And if you consider buying in any &#8216;hood, please park 5 blocks from the house, and walk there. You might instantly feel some negative points such as noise, and such &#8211; something you miss so much on the MLS square cut flavorless listings. And please, end your open house day by a coffee at the closest coffee shop to feel your potential neighbors.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my answer on how to choose a &#8216;hood: hoods are different because PEOPLE are differents and their taste and priorities are different.</p>
<p>(now our decision on NoeValley.</p>
<p>We dont love NoeValley, we love OUR block. it&#8217;s flat, but not as flat as creating some flood/sewage problem in our house. it&#8217;s next to a J-church stop. it&#8217;s close enough from 24th to make the outing a pleasure, but far enough to avoid double-parking. the view FROM our house is beautiful&#8230; rows and rows of victorian houses in any direction.</p>
<p>that set &#8211; it was a challenge to find a house there matching our needs and our budget &#8211; but we found it &#8211; and bought it. Just keep looking. Everything comes on the market eventually!)</p>
<p>[<strong>Editor's note</strong>: ...thank you for your insight.]</p>
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		<title>By: kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 17:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apology accepted.  ha ha.



http://sfarmls.rapmls.com/scripts/mgrqispi.dll?APPNAME=Sanfrancisco&amp;PRGNAME=MLSLogin&amp;ARGUMENT=zvKJ9efrbFlwqvsrsX5LUrjVoXFRB9jXxKqQcifcJD0%3D&amp;KeyRid=1



Back on the market today. Why do these properties not perform as well? This one gets snapped up immediately, and for way more, if it doesn&#039;t feel like Diamond Heights rather than Noe Valley. Six blocks down the hill and this one goes for closer to $3M, instantly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apology accepted.  ha ha.</p>
<p><a href="http://sfarmls.rapmls.com/scripts/mgrqispi.dll?APPNAME=Sanfrancisco&#038;PRGNAME=MLSLogin&#038;ARGUMENT=zvKJ9efrbFlwqvsrsX5LUrjVoXFRB9jXxKqQcifcJD0%3D&#038;KeyRid=1" rel="nofollow">http://sfarmls.rapmls.com/scripts/mgrqispi.dll?APPNAME=Sanfrancisco&#038;PRGNAME=MLSLogin&#038;ARGUMENT=zvKJ9efrbFlwqvsrsX5LUrjVoXFRB9jXxKqQcifcJD0%3D&#038;KeyRid=1</a></p>
<p>Back on the market today. Why do these properties not perform as well? This one gets snapped up immediately, and for way more, if it doesn&#8217;t feel like Diamond Heights rather than Noe Valley. Six blocks down the hill and this one goes for closer to $3M, instantly.</p>
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		<title>By: lily</title>
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		<dc:creator>lily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you for your apologizing kenny. i don&#039;t know why it became such a heated issue. but frankly i&#039;m done perusing this website. it&#039;s turning into the Craigslist housing forum as i noted somewhere else and that&#039;s just not my thing. Bye all!

[&lt;strong&gt;Editor&#039;s note&lt;/strong&gt;: Sorry to see you go, if you must, but our suggestion would be to brush it off, and we hope to see you back here soon. :-(  ]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you for your apologizing kenny. i don&#8217;t know why it became such a heated issue. but frankly i&#8217;m done perusing this website. it&#8217;s turning into the Craigslist housing forum as i noted somewhere else and that&#8217;s just not my thing. Bye all!</p>
<p>[<strong>Editor's note</strong>: Sorry to see you go, if you must, but our suggestion would be to brush it off, and we hope to see you back here soon. <img src='http://thefrontsteps.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' />   ]</p>
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		<title>By: kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, apologies to everybody for taking this thread in a different direction. But I know my neighborhoods.  If any map seems to show that Diamond Heights Blvd is in Noe, it is flat wrong.



That&#039;s probably due to the following. The correct depiction would be a relief map, because the steep (and rather wide, I might add) green space east of Diamond Heights Blvd  is actually the border. Not the street . Properties on Diamond Heights Blvd are in 4B. A sold properties search will verify this. It does not matter which side of the street the property is on. Diamond Heights Blvd is the main thoroughfare of 4-B, and its namesake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, apologies to everybody for taking this thread in a different direction. But I know my neighborhoods.  If any map seems to show that Diamond Heights Blvd is in Noe, it is flat wrong.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s probably due to the following. The correct depiction would be a relief map, because the steep (and rather wide, I might add) green space east of Diamond Heights Blvd  is actually the border. Not the street . Properties on Diamond Heights Blvd are in 4B. A sold properties search will verify this. It does not matter which side of the street the property is on. Diamond Heights Blvd is the main thoroughfare of 4-B, and its namesake.</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 15:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t want to get in the middle of the argument regarding diamond heights, but i thought i&#039;d offer my two cents after taking a good look at the district map provided by the san francisco association of realtors.  diamond heights blvd is actually the street that boarders noe valley (district 5c), glen park (district 5a) and diamond heights (district 4b)--so everybody is right???    to the north, diamond heights blvd converges with portola and twin peaks blvd.  on the southern tip, it ends at about bosworth.  determining what district you are in if you&#039;re actually ON diamond heights blvd would depend if you were east or west of the street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t want to get in the middle of the argument regarding diamond heights, but i thought i&#8217;d offer my two cents after taking a good look at the district map provided by the san francisco association of realtors.  diamond heights blvd is actually the street that boarders noe valley (district 5c), glen park (district 5a) and diamond heights (district 4b)&#8211;so everybody is right???    to the north, diamond heights blvd converges with portola and twin peaks blvd.  on the southern tip, it ends at about bosworth.  determining what district you are in if you&#8217;re actually ON diamond heights blvd would depend if you were east or west of the street.</p>
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		<title>By: lily</title>
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		<dc:creator>lily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 06:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ah yes, no the posting i orignally posted is back...very strange!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah yes, no the posting i orignally posted is back&#8230;very strange!</p>
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		<title>By: lily</title>
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		<dc:creator>lily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 06:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kenny, i posted some links of sf district maps a few hours ago but someone removed them despite the out of office auto reply. [&lt;strong&gt;Editor&#039;s note&lt;/strong&gt;: They were, in fact, trapped in comment purgatory.  There was nobody in office.  Your comment is up.  Sorry. :-(  ]the maps show clearly that diamond heights blvd is part of district 5 noe valley and follows in district 5 glen park. i looked on 4b and there was no mention of diamond heights blvd on the map. i guess we will have to just agree to disagree. maybe this post will actually stay up. i&#039;m not going to bother putting in the energy to find the links again in case it doesn&#039;t though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kenny, i posted some links of sf district maps a few hours ago but someone removed them despite the out of office auto reply. [<strong>Editor's note</strong>: They were, in fact, trapped in comment purgatory.  There was nobody in office.  Your comment is up.  Sorry. <img src='http://thefrontsteps.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' />   ]the maps show clearly that diamond heights blvd is part of district 5 noe valley and follows in district 5 glen park. i looked on 4b and there was no mention of diamond heights blvd on the map. i guess we will have to just agree to disagree. maybe this post will actually stay up. i&#8217;m not going to bother putting in the energy to find the links again in case it doesn&#8217;t though.</p>
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		<title>By: lily</title>
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		<dc:creator>lily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 21:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the map i&#039;m looking at diamond heights blvd falls in 5c and 5a - noe valley and glen park.

http://www.sfarmls.com/docs/twinpeakswest.htm



when i look at 4b diamond heights, yes, that neighborhood exists. but diamond heights blvd the street is not noted on the map at all.

http://www.sfarmls.com/docs/twinpeakswest.htm



anyway, i guess we&#039;ll agree to disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the map i&#8217;m looking at diamond heights blvd falls in 5c and 5a &#8211; noe valley and glen park.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sfarmls.com/docs/twinpeakswest.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfarmls.com/docs/twinpeakswest.htm</a></p>
<p>when i look at 4b diamond heights, yes, that neighborhood exists. but diamond heights blvd the street is not noted on the map at all.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sfarmls.com/docs/twinpeakswest.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfarmls.com/docs/twinpeakswest.htm</a></p>
<p>anyway, i guess we&#8217;ll agree to disagree.</p>
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