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		<title>By: Alexis Mandiola</title>
		<link>http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/07/29/incredible-boomtime/comment-page-1/#comment-15439</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexis Mandiola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 17:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Found this great  little niche through the wonders of  Bing! I&#039;m a very conservative investor myself and I&#039;ve read a few of those investment banking books (mainly Liar&#039;s Poker and The Big Short) - interesting stuff but I wouldn&#039;t dare put my money into risky assets or junk bonds. Look what happened to Milken - off to prison! I&#039;d really recommend reading up on this award-winning article written by Delos Chang about the S&amp;P 500. It meshes really well with a Random Walk Down Wall Street and can really provide you some great  guide  for your investing career. Once again, I&#039;m no day trader and I don&#039;t have an informational advantage over anyone - but I sure as hell know I want to make a decent return with the money that I put into the market. With all the drug wars going on, who knows when it could disappear?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found this great  little niche through the wonders of  Bing! I&#8217;m a very conservative investor myself and I&#8217;ve read a few of those investment banking books (mainly Liar&#8217;s Poker and The Big Short) &#8211; interesting stuff but I wouldn&#8217;t dare put my money into risky assets or junk bonds. Look what happened to Milken &#8211; off to prison! I&#8217;d really recommend reading up on this award-winning article written by Delos Chang about the S&amp;P 500. It meshes really well with a Random Walk Down Wall Street and can really provide you some great  guide  for your investing career. Once again, I&#8217;m no day trader and I don&#8217;t have an informational advantage over anyone &#8211; but I sure as hell know I want to make a decent return with the money that I put into the market. With all the drug wars going on, who knows when it could disappear?</p>
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		<title>By: Boomtime</title>
		<link>http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/07/29/incredible-boomtime/comment-page-1/#comment-1750</link>
		<dc:creator>Boomtime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 17:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>289 Marina Blvd in contract!



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3456 Jackson St. also in contract!



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Anybody want to wager the final sales prices?



I guess: $2.9 mil for Marina blvd, and $5.63 for Jackson St.



Boomtime</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>289 Marina Blvd in contract!</p>
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<p>3456 Jackson St. also in contract!</p>
<p><a href="http://sfarmls.rapmls.com/scripts/mgrqispi.dll?APPNAME=Sanfrancisco&#038;PRGNAME=MLSPropertyDetail&#038;ARGUMENTS=-N739668488,-N210050,-N,-A,-N9804751" rel="nofollow">http://sfarmls.rapmls.com/scripts/mgrqispi.dll?APPNAME=Sanfrancisco&#038;PRGNAME=MLSPropertyDetail&#038;ARGUMENTS=-N739668488,-N210050,-N,-A,-N9804751</a></p>
<p>Anybody want to wager the final sales prices?</p>
<p>I guess: $2.9 mil for Marina blvd, and $5.63 for Jackson St.</p>
<p>Boomtime</p>
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		<title>By: Boomtime</title>
		<link>http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/07/29/incredible-boomtime/comment-page-1/#comment-1749</link>
		<dc:creator>Boomtime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Someone - There are actually many industries in finance that pay well over $500,000 if you have at least 6-8 years experience.  Hedge Funds, Investment Banks, Venture Capitalists, and Private Equity.



The bottom line is, if you meet practically ANYBODY in any one of these industries with at least 8 yrs experience (to be conservative), they are making over $500,000.



At any rate, I look forward to an update on all these properties in several weeks time.  And I look forward to any listings anybody has during 4Q before bonuses are paid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Someone &#8211; There are actually many industries in finance that pay well over $500,000 if you have at least 6-8 years experience.  Hedge Funds, Investment Banks, Venture Capitalists, and Private Equity.</p>
<p>The bottom line is, if you meet practically ANYBODY in any one of these industries with at least 8 yrs experience (to be conservative), they are making over $500,000.</p>
<p>At any rate, I look forward to an update on all these properties in several weeks time.  And I look forward to any listings anybody has during 4Q before bonuses are paid.</p>
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		<title>By: kenny</title>
		<link>http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/07/29/incredible-boomtime/comment-page-1/#comment-1747</link>
		<dc:creator>kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 02:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why volume is dropping -- that&#039;s interesting. I think if you look at it in one way you could say that volume is not dropping appreciably, and that is the following. We are a city of little houses and they  just don&#039;t cycle all that quickly, or orderly.  For tier-1 properties in SF there is only a finite amount of them at any given time. And there has only been a finite amount at any given time.  No more than three or four at a time during any month and half long sale cycle. Maybe six at the most. And that&#039;s sort of where it is now, right? I&#039;m talking about flawless properties in tier-1 areas only here. Because that&#039;s the stuff that&#039;s flying off the shelves right now.



Yeah, Bayview took a big hit. I had a listing in Bayview for 599K that languished and was ultimately withdrawn. Why? Because there were 40 similar SFR&#039;s on the market. Look at Noe right now. There are like two fixers. They&#039;ll last two weeks.  There are like three or four high end properties. Their pricepoints are speculative, but they&#039;ll go. Look at Lower Pac Heights. There&#039;s practically nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why volume is dropping &#8212; that&#8217;s interesting. I think if you look at it in one way you could say that volume is not dropping appreciably, and that is the following. We are a city of little houses and they  just don&#8217;t cycle all that quickly, or orderly.  For tier-1 properties in SF there is only a finite amount of them at any given time. And there has only been a finite amount at any given time.  No more than three or four at a time during any month and half long sale cycle. Maybe six at the most. And that&#8217;s sort of where it is now, right? I&#8217;m talking about flawless properties in tier-1 areas only here. Because that&#8217;s the stuff that&#8217;s flying off the shelves right now.</p>
<p>Yeah, Bayview took a big hit. I had a listing in Bayview for 599K that languished and was ultimately withdrawn. Why? Because there were 40 similar SFR&#8217;s on the market. Look at Noe right now. There are like two fixers. They&#8217;ll last two weeks.  There are like three or four high end properties. Their pricepoints are speculative, but they&#8217;ll go. Look at Lower Pac Heights. There&#8217;s practically nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/07/29/incredible-boomtime/comment-page-1/#comment-1748</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No offense taken. (Please note smiley face following my comment...) I sold due to change of jobs and commute. My old neighborhood is one of those that seems to defy gravity. A 1930 bungalow with 2 bedrooms and 1,000 sqft will typically go for somewhere near $1m. We sold our place for about $950/sqft in &#039;06.



Hey, I will not argue that there are pockets of this city (or any city, for that matter) where no price will ever be too high. When you have a decent economy chugging along and people making cash, trophy properties will certainly move.



My whole point is that we are not in the environment we were in 7-8 years ago. There are simply fewer buyers in the market. (Fewer sellers too, it seems, which has kept things pretty stable.) Those currently in the market may be loaded, but there are fewer of them. People seem to be more cautious and less willing to &quot;overpay&quot; (whatever that means). This includes me.



But the whole thing is a pyramid. You need people at the top and the bottom. People looking for SFRs need other people to buy their 1/1 condos or lofts. The very bottom (think Bayview) is getting crushed. The 1/1 condo and loft market frankly looks a little soft to me. Will it impact the &quot;prime&quot; neighborhoods? I don&#039;t know. (Certainly not if everyone is paying with Monopoly Money...)



But I&#039;ve just read so many stats on the huge percentages of buyers in the Bay Area who uses things like no interest loans just to combat the affordability problem. Will this come home to roost? Will it impact &quot;prime&quot; property? I don&#039;t know.



What I can&#039;t reconcile is why volume is dropping off a cliff if everyone is making money hand-over-fist... It&#039;s a mystery to me. Seems like volume would be growing, but I don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No offense taken. (Please note smiley face following my comment&#8230;) I sold due to change of jobs and commute. My old neighborhood is one of those that seems to defy gravity. A 1930 bungalow with 2 bedrooms and 1,000 sqft will typically go for somewhere near $1m. We sold our place for about $950/sqft in &#8217;06.</p>
<p>Hey, I will not argue that there are pockets of this city (or any city, for that matter) where no price will ever be too high. When you have a decent economy chugging along and people making cash, trophy properties will certainly move.</p>
<p>My whole point is that we are not in the environment we were in 7-8 years ago. There are simply fewer buyers in the market. (Fewer sellers too, it seems, which has kept things pretty stable.) Those currently in the market may be loaded, but there are fewer of them. People seem to be more cautious and less willing to &#8220;overpay&#8221; (whatever that means). This includes me.</p>
<p>But the whole thing is a pyramid. You need people at the top and the bottom. People looking for SFRs need other people to buy their 1/1 condos or lofts. The very bottom (think Bayview) is getting crushed. The 1/1 condo and loft market frankly looks a little soft to me. Will it impact the &#8220;prime&#8221; neighborhoods? I don&#8217;t know. (Certainly not if everyone is paying with Monopoly Money&#8230;)</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ve just read so many stats on the huge percentages of buyers in the Bay Area who uses things like no interest loans just to combat the affordability problem. Will this come home to roost? Will it impact &#8220;prime&#8221; property? I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>What I can&#8217;t reconcile is why volume is dropping off a cliff if everyone is making money hand-over-fist&#8230; It&#8217;s a mystery to me. Seems like volume would be growing, but I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Someone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Someone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,



No need to get offended by the tier-1 comment. I think HQ was just trying to point out that in the desirable locations in the city the market is still very hot. I&#039;m following Noe Valley and have seen very similar situation to what Boomtime describes. I do wonder where these people come from, and how they got their money, but they keep coming.



I work in software as well, and Dave&#039;s compensation sounds more like stuff I&#039;m familiar with.



Boomtime, what industry allows you to make nearly $1m/year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>No need to get offended by the tier-1 comment. I think HQ was just trying to point out that in the desirable locations in the city the market is still very hot. I&#8217;m following Noe Valley and have seen very similar situation to what Boomtime describes. I do wonder where these people come from, and how they got their money, but they keep coming.</p>
<p>I work in software as well, and Dave&#8217;s compensation sounds more like stuff I&#8217;m familiar with.</p>
<p>Boomtime, what industry allows you to make nearly $1m/year?</p>
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		<title>By: Boomtime</title>
		<link>http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/07/29/incredible-boomtime/comment-page-1/#comment-1745</link>
		<dc:creator>Boomtime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And another thing, I am of the firm belief that the +4.4% SF Median increase YoY last month UNDERSTATES how much prices are appreciating in SF.



You want weakness?  Go to Vallejo, Antioch, etc.  Strength is all around SF, except for maybe SOMA condos which may only be getting $800-900 instead of $1,000/sqft :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And another thing, I am of the firm belief that the +4.4% SF Median increase YoY last month UNDERSTATES how much prices are appreciating in SF.</p>
<p>You want weakness?  Go to Vallejo, Antioch, etc.  Strength is all around SF, except for maybe SOMA condos which may only be getting $800-900 instead of $1,000/sqft <img src='http://thefrontsteps.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Boomtime</title>
		<link>http://thefrontsteps.com/2007/07/29/incredible-boomtime/comment-page-1/#comment-1744</link>
		<dc:creator>Boomtime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 00:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dave - Fair points.  I don&#039;t think the $1mil+ market, or $1.3mil+ condo market is a bad example.  Any couple making $100-200K/yr is in this market after saving for 10 yrs (i.e. early-to-mid 30&#039;s).  The point is that the $1.3 mil condo market WAS the $1mil condo market a couple years ago.  Using the $20million Agassi example is not reasonable, unless this was a $100 millionaire blog [&lt;strong&gt;Editor&#039;s note&lt;/strong&gt;: If only...].



May I ask why you sold in two years Dave and now rent?  Was it a job, or personal reasons?  Or, did you look at your property as an investment?  PErhaps you can shed some light on what percentage you made in two years (2006 i take it)?  HQ brings up a good point about owning in SF.  Perhaps your market, wherever you did buy, is different as I do hear and see weakness around SF, especially the farther you get.  I have just been buying, and buying more since 1998, b/c I know in 20-30 years time, these properties will be worth more, and I don&#039;t need the capital, b/c my income is fairly robust (I&#039;m more than 2X your income solo, but so is everybody else at my company).



These are two properties that sold LAST YEAR, and that are selling this year.  Nothing has been done to them.  I have seen both.  This is an apples-to-apples comparison, with  2249 Washington St. in contract already.  We&#039;ll see what the final price is.  1,200sqft LOWER 2/2 flats boys and girls for $1.5 million.  This is AMAZING, but this is what DINKS [&lt;strong&gt;Editor&#039;s note&lt;/strong&gt;: Dual Income No Kids] are looking to buy.





2255 Steiner St.[we think you mean 2255 Washington - CORRECT], a 2/2 asking $1.498 mil at under 1,500sqft with no view. Impressive! I bet it gets into contract by another $500,000/yr couple.



2249 Washington St., a 2/2 in contract for $1.525 mil. Who’s buying this?



Boomtime</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave &#8211; Fair points.  I don&#8217;t think the $1mil+ market, or $1.3mil+ condo market is a bad example.  Any couple making $100-200K/yr is in this market after saving for 10 yrs (i.e. early-to-mid 30&#8242;s).  The point is that the $1.3 mil condo market WAS the $1mil condo market a couple years ago.  Using the $20million Agassi example is not reasonable, unless this was a $100 millionaire blog [<strong>Editor's note</strong>: If only...].</p>
<p>May I ask why you sold in two years Dave and now rent?  Was it a job, or personal reasons?  Or, did you look at your property as an investment?  PErhaps you can shed some light on what percentage you made in two years (2006 i take it)?  HQ brings up a good point about owning in SF.  Perhaps your market, wherever you did buy, is different as I do hear and see weakness around SF, especially the farther you get.  I have just been buying, and buying more since 1998, b/c I know in 20-30 years time, these properties will be worth more, and I don&#8217;t need the capital, b/c my income is fairly robust (I&#8217;m more than 2X your income solo, but so is everybody else at my company).</p>
<p>These are two properties that sold LAST YEAR, and that are selling this year.  Nothing has been done to them.  I have seen both.  This is an apples-to-apples comparison, with  2249 Washington St. in contract already.  We&#8217;ll see what the final price is.  1,200sqft LOWER 2/2 flats boys and girls for $1.5 million.  This is AMAZING, but this is what DINKS [<strong>Editor's note</strong>: Dual Income No Kids] are looking to buy.</p>
<p>2255 Steiner St.[we think you mean 2255 Washington - CORRECT], a 2/2 asking $1.498 mil at under 1,500sqft with no view. Impressive! I bet it gets into contract by another $500,000/yr couple.</p>
<p>2249 Washington St., a 2/2 in contract for $1.525 mil. Who’s buying this?</p>
<p>Boomtime</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t own in SF. I currently rent but am actively looking. I sold my SFR on the peninsula and enjoyed a nice return for only a couple years of ownership. I work in software and, if it helps, I have a $320K (dual-earner) household income and no kids. I don&#039;t know what tier that puts me in but I wasn&#039;t aware that this was a &quot;Tier-One&quot; blog.



:)

[&lt;strong&gt;Editor&#039;s note&lt;/strong&gt;: It is not a &quot;Tier-One&quot; blog.  It&#039;s a tier -20 thru 20+...That ought to just about cover all the tiers.  Thanks for your GREAT comments and participation!]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t own in SF. I currently rent but am actively looking. I sold my SFR on the peninsula and enjoyed a nice return for only a couple years of ownership. I work in software and, if it helps, I have a $320K (dual-earner) household income and no kids. I don&#8217;t know what tier that puts me in but I wasn&#8217;t aware that this was a &#8220;Tier-One&#8221; blog.</p>
<p> <img src='http://thefrontsteps.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>[<strong>Editor's note</strong>: It is not a "Tier-One" blog.  It's a tier -20 thru 20+...That ought to just about cover all the tiers.  Thanks for your GREAT comments and participation!]</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Angilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Angilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 20:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d agree with Dave to some extent.  The days of purchasing a loft for 439K and selling it 2 years later for 639K are gone. (unless you are able to snag a foreclosure) That said, purchasing property with the goal of owner occupying and seeing 8% appreciation a MONTH is not what educated clients are hoping to accomplish.



I see opportunities in this market for people to purchase property -- and i shudder to use this term - &lt;i&gt;under market value.&lt;/i&gt; I also see some properties and BALK at the price and wonder who in the world would purchase this property. More importantly from my perspective, who are the Realtors advising their clients to write an offer on these properties.



Dave - you make some valid points and raise some questions -- what&#039;s nice is that you do so in a respectful and intelligent manner.  Dissent and discussion are great and everyone gains and learns - I&#039;ve &quot;unplugged&quot; from other real estate blogs as the tone has become spiteful and accusatory. This is becoming a great forum for discussion and I look forward to agreeing and disagreeing with you often!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d agree with Dave to some extent.  The days of purchasing a loft for 439K and selling it 2 years later for 639K are gone. (unless you are able to snag a foreclosure) That said, purchasing property with the goal of owner occupying and seeing 8% appreciation a MONTH is not what educated clients are hoping to accomplish.</p>
<p>I see opportunities in this market for people to purchase property &#8212; and i shudder to use this term &#8211; <i>under market value.</i> I also see some properties and BALK at the price and wonder who in the world would purchase this property. More importantly from my perspective, who are the Realtors advising their clients to write an offer on these properties.</p>
<p>Dave &#8211; you make some valid points and raise some questions &#8212; what&#8217;s nice is that you do so in a respectful and intelligent manner.  Dissent and discussion are great and everyone gains and learns &#8211; I&#8217;ve &#8220;unplugged&#8221; from other real estate blogs as the tone has become spiteful and accusatory. This is becoming a great forum for discussion and I look forward to agreeing and disagreeing with you often!</p>
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